These pieces were made right after the move from Mt Vernon and use the same blanks and cutters so they're well acknowledged to basically be mt vernon pieces without the mtv stamp......cup is a bit more edge to it rim to cup.....i've come to the conclusion that all of these little differences are due to the age of the cutters used....the ones cut first definitely can't be the same as ones hundreds later......so the first batches probably a bit more angular.......has a large 22  throat....in great shape!!