1808 TH 8 Reales
Carolus IIII
Mexico City Mint
The
coin under consideration is the first type of 1808 coin, issued under Carolus
IIII.
Tomas
Butron Miranda (T) was an assayer from 1801 into 1810, Henrique Buenaventura
Azorin (H) from 1803 into 1814, making the initials TH.
The
big story during this time period was the abdication of Carolus IIII on March
19, 1808. This is what was responsible
for the change in the coins. Carolus
turned the throne over to his oldest living son, Ferdinand VII, who then became
King of Spain on that date. (Four of Ferdinand’s older brothers had died when
young children).
Napoleon
Bonaparte had a large standing army in Spain at that time, and distrusted
Ferdinand VII. Napoleon was able to get Carolus IIII to retract his abdication
of March 19 and abdicate instead to Napoleon Bonaparte on May 5. Ferdinand VII was forced to abdicate (turn
the throne back over to his father) on May 6.
Since Carolus had abdicated to Napoleon the previous day, Napoleon held
the throne, who turned it over to his older brother Joseph, who became King
Joseph I of Spain on June 6, 1808. On
August 11 the abdications of Carolus to Napoleon and Ferdinand to Carolus were
declared null and void. On August 24,
Ferdinand was proclaimed King of Spain again.
On
January 14, 1809, the British Government acknowledged Ferdinand VII as King of
Spain. Emperor Napoleon agreed to
acknowledge Ferdinand King of Spain on December 11, 1813, at which time he
turned the throne back over to Ferdinand VII, who again became King of Spain
from December 11, 1813 until his death on September 29, 1833. During this
period from 1808-13, Spain’s central government recognized Joseph as King, but
the citizens of Spain did not.
Mexico
City 8 Reales from 1791 issued under Carolus IIII through the armored bust
series ending in 1811 issued under Ferdinand VII were 89.6% pure silver.
NGC
grades this coin as an AU58.
Photography:
The
physical appearance of a coin will differ depending on the type and intensity
of the light under which we view the coin.
I use a 100 watt incandescent light bulb at a distance of about 1 foot.
Sales Information
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number after I ship to you.
INTERNATIONAL SALES
I am now currently making international
sales.
As I understand it, if you can see my listing,
you can buy it from outside the USA. My shipping it to Kentucky is free
to you. The part about getting your coin from Kentucky to you has all
been worked out by Global Shipping. Supposedly, you can see your mailing
costs, etc.
Payment
I
would appreciate your paying me in a timely fashion after the close of the
sale.
Other Information
My shipment to you: The 8th largest
city in the USA no longer has a Post Office open after 5:00PM Monday
through Friday. My mail route is “a training route” so I no longer have any
idea who is going to be delivering my mail, or at what time of day. I am
not going to leave a $50-$500 coin outside to be picked up by “whomever”.
Given all of this, if you win and pay for a coin this morning, it probably
won’t be put in the mail this afternoon. They are taken to the Post
Office to be mailed.
Returns: This is a collector coin and not just
some chunk of silver bullion. If you do not feel that this coin is “right
for you” after you have examined it, send an email letting me know it is coming
back to me. Return shipping cost is at the buyer’s expense. Return
it at your convenience, preferably within 14 days. The shipping to you is at my
expense for domestic shipping.
This
is an old collector’s coin, and you and I both know, as coin collectors,
sometimes a coin that looks good from photos does not measure up to our
expectations. After you have looked at it, if you decide that it is “not
for you”, just let me know that you will be sending it back so that I will know
to expect it. I have other old 8 Reales. If for some reason you
don’t feel satisfied with this coin, that doesn’t mean you won’t be happy with
the next one you win.
Please
read everything I have stated to you about this coin, if I have made any
specific comments about it. If there is something of interest to you
about the coin that I did not explain to you in this listing, send an
email.
I want you to be satisfied
with what you get.
I want to build a positive
business relationship with you, not just “get a sale”.