I'm the second owner of this vintage ride. This cymbal came with a pre-serial badge Ludwig set dating to the late 1950's and early 1960's when WFL was transitioning the name back to Ludwig. This ride has the large hollow block logo as shown. No cracks, keyholes or dings around the edges. It weighs 2744 grams. The lathing is fine. The underside still looks mostly new. A very well taken care of cymbal that sounds great. Did the best I could with one hand and my low budget camera. Listening to file at a lower volume helps to hear them. Please ask questions as needed and thanks for buying.