"THE TRUTH ABOUT MILEAGE GAINS"
Many people who purchase BG (HHO) generators expect to install them, and instantly achieve big gains in fuel mileage.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE ARE NO PLUG AND PLAY HHO PRODUCING DEVICES THAT PRODUCE MILEAGE GAINS . ANY SELLER THAT CLAIMS THAT HIS PLUG AND PLAY DEVICE PRODUCES “MILEAGE GAINS” IS A LIAR
D&N Automotive Engineering, as builders of these devices are supplying you with BG (HHO) which is capable of tremendously increasing your mileage,
“But” there is a lot more to it than just that.
First of all if you install one of these devices with no other electronics to lean out your fuel mixture,
YOU WILL MOST LIKELY LOOSE MILEAGE, NOT GAIN.
There is work to do on your part in order to achieve gains in fuel mileage
1. First and foremost you must control or regulate the amount of HHO that your generator is producing and sending to the engine. The best way to accomplish this is with our Black Box controller, or a VERY good quality CCPWM ( constant current pulse width modulator ) NOT a PWM Every vehicles volume of HHO that it can effectively use is different. A great deal of this has to do with the size of the engine, condition of the Vehicle, electronics used, and many other factors.
2. You must address the problems created by your oxygen sensors. When you add a BG (hho) device, it introduces more oxygen into the system. The oxygen sensor reads this extra oxygen, and interprets it as a “too lean” condition and immediately starts sending MORE fuel to the engine. The signal from the oxygen sensor must be adjusted to ignore the extra oxygen and also compensate for the much more efficient burn of the fuel. A True Digital EFIE device should be installed and set to indicate a too “Rich” condition which will tell the ECU to send LESS fuel to the to the engine.
3. MAF/MAP sensors are the second most important sensors to treat. These too can greatly affect the amount of fuel the ECU will attempt to send to the engine. Most (but not all) MAF/MAP sensors are are voltage operated sensors. It is important to install a good quality device to alter the voltage (or resistance) signal sent to the ECU to Further lean out the fuel flow and increase mileage gains.
Altering or adjusting the signals from the 02 sensors and the MAF/MAP sensor can produce gains in the 25% to 45% range with an efficient generator. Efficient meaning, one with an efficiency rating of 8.000 MMW or higher. The next two steps can take you well beyond 60% gains in fuel mileage several have exceeded 100%.
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4. Addressing the IAT. (intake air temperature sensor) this is a little more difficult, but when done properly will produce dramatic results. Proper application of an IAT tuning device and proper adjustment to this sensor will retard the timing, bringing it closer to TDC. Top dead center. The Ideal setting when running BG (HHO)
5. Addressing the CTS is of equal importance to keep all sensors that affect AFR in agreement of their signals to the ECU. Proper procedures are all covered in Tuning 101 Guide to HHO success. If you have not yet received your free copy, email us
and we will send it to you.
6. Efficiency of the BG (hho) generator used is critical. The more amperage drawn by your BG (hho) device, the harder the alternator has to work. The harder it has to work the more fuel is needed to power the alternator, and there goes your fuel savings. Browns Gas (HHO) devices are capable of tremendous mileage gains, but ONLY if the above mentioned procedures are followed.
Otherwise you are wasting your money.
Any BG (HHO) generator drawing in excess of 15 amps of current, will probably give you little or NO gains in mileage. We now Build the very best devices for tuning your sensors that is available on the market. Our True Digital EFIE with built in MAF/MAP enhancer
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Good Luck with Your Project God Bless and May the Blessings be. Darol Mason D&N Engineering.
HydroStar Hydrogen Generator Roundup
FARM SHOW readers have asked for more information on the HydroStar generator written about in FARM SHOW (Vol. 33, No. 3) earlier this year. Andy Herold, the inventor of the unit, has been equally interested in sharing responses from users, especially those who are FARM SHOW readers. He contacted many of his customers and asked if FARM SHOW could visit with them. They said yes. Here are some results.
Jim Ruen, FARM SHOW
We received two units from Andy Herold, and I sent them to my brother John in Texas, as he has a diesel pickup and Herold suggested diesels often show the best results. After some delay, John got one unit installed. Although he has not made any long trips, it appears that he may be getting some increased mileage. He has not yet been able to confirm this. He indicated that installation was straightforward and plans to install the second unit.
Once he has given the units a fair evaluation in the truck, we are going to move them to a diesel tractor to evaluate them in that setting. Every effort will be made to do so before the next issue of FARM SHOW.
Terry Cushman, Dakota, Minn.
“I put one HydroStar generator on my 2003 Chevy one-ton, 4-WD, “dually” pickup and went from 20 mpg to 23 mpg. Previously I had put an exhaust kit and an intake on it to improve mileage as much as possible. I’ve since ordered two more HydroStar units to see what the added hydrogen will do for increased mileage. I feel I have also gotten more power. I monitor exhaust gas temperatures, and they have gone up 20-30°with the HydroStar, I expect due to the hotter burning atoms of oxygen and hydrogen introduced into he system.
Installation was a piece of cake. Any kid with any electronics experience at all could hook it up. The tank was really small. I expected something much bigger. I mounted it ahead of the radiator to keep it as cool as possible, but given winter weather here in Minn., I am considering moving it into the cab for warmth.
I’ve wanted to do something like this for 20 years, since I was a kid in high school. I even built one myself a few years ago, but couldn’t get the catalyst right. This one is simple and basic. Herold did the research needed to build one that is nice and compact and easy to put together. This is the one to get!
Louis Bertolotto, Newell, S. Dak.
I put one on my 1991 Dodge Cummins diesel, but I haven’t run any long trips yet, just short ones under 25 miles. I think it runs smoother. I am going on a long trip where I will be pulling a loaded trailer part way. I am looking forward to seeing how that goes. So far, I am getting about 20 mpg on average, as high as 23 mpg and as low as 18.
John McFarlan, Omaha, Neb.
I was getting around 12 to 13 mpg on my 1968 Ford Thunderbird. It is a big, heavy car with a factory rated 390-hp engine with a four-barrel carburetor. I’ve added a few other things to make it run smoother. When I got the HydroStar, I filled up the Thunderbird and took a 100-mile road trip. When I topped it off, I had used just under four gallons, double my usual mileage. Those were city miles. I expect I could hit 34 mpg on the highway.
The HydroStar also lets me run 89 octane instead of 91, so I save money on fuel that way too. I get a lot more power with it too, and it is cleaning up the engine. People use unleaded fuel in cars like this, and it gunks up the valves. I put a lead substitute in the gas, and between it and the hydrogen, my motor is getting cleaned up. Now it operates smooth like a brand new engine.
Jessie Roberts, New Franken, Wis.
I put a HydroStar on my four-cylinder, 1996 Plymouth Neon. At first I thought I was getting about three to four more miles per gallon, but then it went down. Now I am getting about two. That’s non-highway driving. I went from about 28 mpg to 30.
I also put a unit on my 1999 gas fueled Silverado. It was getting about 14 mpg, and with the HydroStar, it went up to from 16 to 17 mpg. That was a pretty good improvement, and I think it was worth it. On the car, I didn’t feel it was enough and wouldn’t mess with it again.
It wasn’t bad putting them on, especially after I did one. The first one took me about two hours. I went with lye, and the worst part was getting the mixture right so I would get it down to 5 1/2 amps. I’ll keep playing with the mixtures and maybe hit one that is better.
Clarence DeGroot, Rockwood, Ontario, Canada
I put it on a 100-hp John Deere and took it to a local (AGCO) dealer. He put it on the dynamometer, which showed a reading of between 115 and 118 with the hydrogen feed. It was late in the day, and there wasn’t time to check it without the hydrogen. The tractor isn’t a heavy smoker anyway; however, when it’s been used in the field under load by other drivers, I can see gray smoke. Under full load on the dynamometer, there was no visible smoke.
I had also had the fuel pump rebuilt, so I may have had a gain above the 100 hp from that, plus my dealer claims it should be rated at 105 hp. I know there was a gain with the HydroStar. I just don’t know how much. I do know the dealer where I tested it told me later he had been surprised how high the reading was.
I have a good understanding of electronics on equipment and had no problem installing the HydroStar. It was completely installed in under two hours from when I started reading the directions until I was done.
Andy Herold has sent me two more, and I plan to put one on a pickup and one on the combine, which I will set up so I can move it to a tractor when harvest is over.
Naji Hammad, Beltsville, Md.
Andy Herold is a neighbor of mine. I kept seeing cars coming and going and asked him what he was doing. He told me about his hydrogen generator. I have a Jeep Sahara 4.0 liter that I could only get 9 to 10 mpg with and was getting ready to sell. He suggested putting two of his units on it and offered to install them himself. I could have done it myself after looking at the unit. It is very, very easy to do.
The first time I tried it, I went to 18 mpg. I took it to Penn. on a skiing trip last winter and made 27 mpg. With the improved mileage, I decided to keep it. I do think having the two units on it is important.
I am a network engineer at the University of Maryland School of Engineering and have told five or 6 guys I work with about it. They all drive a long distance and got HydroStars themselves. They have told me they are really happy with theirs too.
David Thomas, Hammett, Idaho
I’ve wanted to try a hydrogen generator, but until I saw the HydroStar in FARM SHOW, they were all too expensive. I ordered one and put it on my ’97 Ford Ranger. It normally gets 22 to 23 mpg. With the HydroStar, I get 25 1/2 mpg.
I’ve ordered three more and am going to install them on a motor home I am taking to Ga. this fall. If I can get even a two mpg increase on that motor home, it will be great. I plan to set it up so I can swap two of them from the motor home to my 351 Ford Bronco. If it works, I want to be able to use them on all my vehicles.
Bill Bloxom, Santa Fe, New Mexico
Ihave a gas saver on my Dodge Pickup Cummins diesel. It mixes fuel and air and boosted my mileage from 12 mpg to as much as 20 to 21 mpg. When I pull my heavy-duty horse trailer with living quarters, it still gets 18 mpg.
I added a single HydroStar unit to it and drove to Albuquerque doing 60 to 65 the whole way. According to the computer readout, my mileage had jumped to 27 mpg; however, when I did the math, I didn’t see any change. I really haven’t given it a fair chance yet. I plan to keep working on it and may need multiple units.
Kevin Zimmerman, Myerstown, Penn.
I put a HydroStar on my 1989 Chevy pickup with a 350 engine. It looks like I went from 13 mpg to 17 on a recent trip. However, my odometer doesn’t work, so it is hard to check mileage unless I know the distance.
The HydroStar was real easy to install. I could slip it under my hood. I was real pleased with that. I’m a mechanic and have been looking at hydrogen units for some time. I put together one that was made with PVC pipe and had to be installed on the bumper, which was a pain because everybody asked about it. It had a stainless steel screen in it that would have cost me $150 if I hadn’t found it for free. It produced hydrogen, but when I was playing around with the mix, it boiled over and melted the screen, ruining it. Before that, I actually blew it up when the water got too low. I shifted into third, the engine jerked, spluttered and the unit went ‘Kerblam!’ It didn’t hurt the truck; it just cracked the end pipes.
FARM SHOW reader James Crawford had questions for Andy Herold. Here they are with Herold’s responses (italics):
What is total plate size on the HydroStar?
Plates are 2.5 in. wide and 8 1/2 in. long. There are five plates for 212 sq. in. area, if you count both sides.
What is the amp draw at start and after three hours?
Amperage draw depends on the amount of electrolyte in the water. In the lab, mine starts at 5 1/2 amps and after three hours, it will be at 10 1/2 amps and 185°. Temperatures in the car can be higher or lower depending on airflow and location to a heat source. The goal is 185°, because you don’t want to boil the water and push steam into the engine. It can be run at higher temperatures if placed in front of the radiator or with fans blowing on the unit. The plastic is rated for 257°.
How much water is used, and how much gas is generated?
In 240 miles, it will consume about 1/2 liter of water. Using sodium hydroxide and starting at 5 to 10 amps, the unit will produce 300 ml of gas and increase to 360 ml when reaching 185 degrees . It is important to keep the electrodes covered by water.
Is the generator turned off when the motor is off?
The relay and wiring harness sent with the unit and the instructions on where and how to hook it up are designed so it goes on and off with the engine. That said, every car is different, and the goal is to use a switched ignition wire or amber light to turn the relay on and off. The switched ignition wire is the best bet, but some people are challenged finding one.
Herold suggests sodium hydroxide (NaOH), which is what I use. Potassium hydroxide (KOH) works best, but is hard to get where I live.
Personally I use sodium hydroxide because it does work better, and I am careful, but not everyone is careful.
Crawford concluded:
I believe in hydrogen, but it is a long way from doing what most claim. There are a lot of us working with it and a lot more trying to make a fast buck off people. If you try a hydrogen generator, get an account of your vehicle before you install, one after a tank of fuel and another after four tanks. I do believe it will be a big item someday.
I’ve tried different hydrogen generators on different vehicles and come up with the fact that the ECUs on vehicles don’t understand what is going on and go to a faulty (full rich) condition. At first the hydrogen does well, but after a short time it freaks out the ECU/OBC. I have had them on diesels, and they work great. Mostly, you get more power than fuel savings. A great place to go for more information is the website: http://hhoinfo.ning.com.
Editor’s note:
If you have had an experience with this or other hydrogen generators, let us know. Send us your best and worst buys in alternative energy products. We are interested, and so are your fellow readers.