COACH: Gently worn black driving loafers made in Italy. The only sign of wear is on the lower toes and front soles. These are a size 9D and rather narrow. Since the toes are somewhat pointed, they might fit an 8.5 (my size) better. NOTE: I replaced the original weird red/tan color strap with that from an old Coach belt - (the grays look better with the black leather shoes). The rubber soles are 11”,  the length is 11.5”, inside is 10.5” and the widest width is about 4.25”.