The quantum 640 pt is brand new in the box. ZERO USE. The 860 ptxm has some very light use upon it. I serviced it and it runs exactly as the brand new one does. Both of these reels are Japanese made and carry quality that would cost you at least 700 to match with today’s current reels. They did not EVER mass produce a reel finer than these. Do yourself a favor and don’t hesitate , my reels are guaranteed to be the best.